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The Science of Emotional Intelligence: How to Heal Trauma and Master Your Emotions

1:24:15
October 29, 2025
The School of Greatness
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What if emotional skill mattered more than your GPA?

That question lingered with me long after I stopped the recording. Mark Brackett, a Yale psychologist who has spent decades building emotional curricula for schools, argues that feeling well is not fluffy self-help — it is the backbone of learning, leadership, and health. His claim is blunt: most people never received any formal education in feelings, and the consequences show up everywhere from dorm-room anxiety to burned-out executives.

Permission to feel — and then to act

Brackett starts from a provocative place: feelings are neither moral failures nor automatic truths. They are data. He borrows the phrase “permission to feel” not as an excuse to wallow, but as the first step in a practical chain. A parent, teacher, or manager who gives space to name a feeling is doing more than empathizing; they are creating a launchpad for problem solving.

Personally, I found that distinction clarifying — it reframes compassion as strategy. After a teenager names envy or a colleague admits disappointment, the next move is labeling and regulation, not indefinite venting. That shift, Brackett suggests, is what turns turbulence into growth.

Co-regulation: the social architecture of calm

One image from the conversation stuck with me: a parent softening a crying baby. That seemingly small act is co-regulation — intentionally calming another person’s nervous system so they can return to learning and connection. Brackett insists adults do this constantly and often unconsciously, and leaders who do it well lower burnout and improve sleep for entire teams.

What surprised me was the research tie-in: leader emotional skill predicts employee wellbeing, turnover intentions, and even nightly sleep quality. That feels like a business metric with moral weight.

Granularity matters — the tyranny of one-word diagnoses

One of Brackett’s recurring refrains is about precision. People call everything "depression" or "stress" and lose the nuance that makes regulation possible. Is the emotion envy, disappointment, shame, or fear? Each has a different trigger and a different practical pathway forward.

He calls the ability to name feelings "granularity," and it's surprisingly actionable. Label the feeling precisely and the size of the emotion becomes manageable. Small feelings are easy to regulate. Big ones require more support, but naming them still matters.

Where the science meets everyday life

Tools you can actually use

Breath, movement, sleep, and food are not pop-psychology add-ons; they are biological levers on emotional regulation. Brackett explains that poor sleep, sugar crashes, and sedentary routines shorten the "space" between stimulus and response. I empathized when he spoke about losing patience after bad nights — it’s both human and fixable.

Beyond biology, he offers tiny behavioral moves that work: pause for two minutes before reacting, ask open questions to understand someone’s underlying theme, and invite problem-solving rather than endless venting. Those are tools you can practice at home, at work, and in a rush-hour encounter.

Parenting without indulgence — teaching resilience

Brackett pushes back against two extremes: ignoring feelings and spoiling them. He calls repeated indulgence “emotional indulgence,” which leaves children unable to self-soothe. Conversely, rigid dismissal creates shame. The productive middle is validation plus scaffolding: name the feeling, model calm, and ask, "What could you do next?"

That struck me as refreshingly pragmatic. It honors emotion while still teaching agency.

Leadership lessons that pay off

Why companies should care

For executives skeptical of soft skills, Brackett serves results. Teams whose leaders co-regulate report less burnout and better culture. Customer-facing organizations benefit when staff can manage feelings under pressure; loyal customers return because people feel handled well, not because protocols were followed perfectly.

So emotional intelligence becomes a competitive edge — not sentimental, but strategic.

Stories that explain the stakes

Brackett’s personal story is quietly powerful. Early abuse and social ostracism could have mapped his life onto a long trajectory of shame. Instead, a mentor in his youth taught him feeling words; later, martial arts and formal study supplied discipline and theory. That combination turned trauma into vocation and curricula that now touch thousands of classrooms.

Hearing him describe being reduced to tears in a pandemic-era household — and then pausing for two minutes to reorient — felt human and credible. It’s a reminder: even experts need practice.

Three practical takeaways I’m still testing

  • Label precisely: swap “I’m stressed” for “I feel envy” or “I’m disappointed.”
  • Create a two-minute pause: breathe, reflect, then choose a response.
  • Co-regulate intentionally: Ask questions, listen, and help others problem-solve instead of rescuing or indulging.

I left the conversation convinced of one thing: emotional education isn’t optional. It’s a craft that shapes how families function, how leaders perform, and how people make sense of suffering and success. The work is not glamorous, and it takes time — but the returns are ordinary and enormous: better sleep, better decisions, and relationships that actually sustain us.

Key points:

  • 90% of people report no formal emotional education; schools rarely teach feeling skills.
  • Co-regulation — calming another person — reduces burnout and improves workplace culture.
  • Labeling emotions precisely (granularity) makes regulation easier and more effective.
  • Venting without problem-solving increases rumination and prolongs distress.
  • Basic biology — sleep, movement, nutrition — dramatically affects emotional control.
  • Parents should validate feelings but guide toward solutions to teach resilience.
  • Leaders skilled in emotional intelligence increase employee wellbeing and retention.

Reflective thought: What would change if schools treated feelings like reading and math — not as therapy, but as skills that shape every life path?

Key points

  • About 90% of people report receiving no formal emotional education during childhood and adolescence.
  • Co-regulation by leaders or caregivers measurably reduces employee burnout and improves sleep quality.
  • Labeling emotions with granular vocabulary makes regulation more achievable and reduces rumination.
  • Emotional indulgence in children prevents development of self-soothing and problem-solving skills.
  • Venting without solution-focused actions increases anxiety and prolongs negative states.
  • Basic biological supports—sleep, nutrition, exercise—directly influence emotional regulation capacity.
  • Teaching emotional skills yields better learning, decisions, relationships, health, and goal attainment.

Timecodes

00:01 Opening claim: Lack of emotion education and its impact
00:59 Pandemic revealed widespread emotional dysregulation
06:52 Personal struggle: learning regulation during midlife
10:24 Co-regulation explained with parenting and partnerships
19:14 Study: leaders' emotions affect employee burnout and sleep
51:03 RULER framework: Recognize, Understand, Label, Express, Regulate
01:10:49 Viktor Frankl quote: space between stimulus and response

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