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Trump Takes On the Fed, US-Intel Deal, Why Bankruptcies Are Up, OpenAI's Longevity Breakthrough

1:31:34
August 29, 2025
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
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Politics and Policy at the Center of Markets

This episode unspools a wide-ranging conversation where politics, capital allocation, and scientific breakthroughs collide. The hosts and guests debate whether central banking can remain insulated from the elected branch after the unprecedented firing of a Federal Reserve governor, weigh in on the merits of government equity for industrial policy, and unpack how artificial intelligence is reshaping biological discovery. Beneath the punchlines and bar-mitzvah stories lie serious arguments about institutional design, taxpayer protection, and how to steer a $130 trillion global economy in the era of real-time markets.

The Debate Over Fed Independence and Modern Monetary Function

Panelists revisit the first-of-its-kind dismissal of a Fed governor and consider whether the Federal Reserve truly operates apart from politics. The conversation moves from legalities—how governors are appointed to 14-year terms and can be removed only for cause—to deeper questions about what the Fed should actually do in 2025. Guests challenge the core idea that a small committee, working from delayed government statistics, can set optimal short-term policy for a global, high-frequency economy. Alternatives discussed include shifting some responsibilities to Treasury, leaning on market prices such as SOFR, and publishing economic indicators to the blockchain to create real-time pricing oracles.

Government As Investor: Chips, Intel, and the Case for Equity

The episode examines the Trump administration’s decision to accept a 10% passive stake in Intel in lieu of straight grants, and asks whether this should be a more common playbook for industrial policy. Panelists contrast U.S. grant-heavy bailouts with the Chinese model of state-backed champions, arguing that taking warrants or equity aligns incentives and allows taxpayers to capture upside. They also debate the practical mechanics of where any government-held equity should be housed—directly on the federal balance sheet, in a new sovereign wealth fund, or nested inside the Social Security trust fund to both grow assets and shore up retirement obligations.

Corporate Distress, Commercial Real Estate, and a Post-ZIRP Adjustment

Bankruptcies are trending higher after years of ultra-low interest rates and abundant capital that propped up marginal businesses. The hosts connect the rise in large filings to the end of zero-interest policy and to a wall of commercial real estate refinancings coming due through 2028. They outline how leases act like fixed debt for retailers, why many owners lack the cash to fund tenant improvements, and how ‘pretend and extend’ credit deals eventually give way to creative destruction, asset sales, or bank takeovers.

LLMs Meet Biology: Faster Protein Design and Rejuvenation Research

One of the most surprising segments centers on how small, domain-tuned language models helped design modified Yamanaka-related proteins that dramatically increased cellular rejuvenation in lab tests. By treating amino acid sequences and 3D structure as tokenized data, researchers used an LLM to suggest protein variants, then synthesized and tested them—finding orders-of-magnitude improvements in conversion rates for cellular reset. The discussion highlights both the therapeutic promise for age-related disease and the cancer-risk trade-offs that come with reprogramming cells toward stem-like states.

Startup Education and Global Deal Flow

Founder University, a pre-accelerator program announced in the episode, illustrates another recurring theme: building infrastructure for global entrepreneurship. The hosts explain how these programs screen thousands of applicants and invest selectively, acting as both community builders and deal-flow generators for later-stage VCs or accelerators.

  • Long-term policy framing: re-evaluate appointment lengths and removal standards for key agencies.
  • Industrial strategy: favor equity or warrants over pure grants to protect taxpayers and align incentives.
  • Market architecture: publish high-frequency economic data to enable faster, market-driven rate discovery.
  • Scientific acceleration: leverage tuned LLMs in protein design, acknowledging safety risks and the clinical path.

Across topics—whether it’s the firing of a Fed official, the U.S. taking a stake in a chipmaker, the uptick in bankruptcies after an era of near-zero rates, or the use of language models to design rejuvenation proteins—this episode centers on a single tension: who makes big decisions, and how can institutions be redesigned so taxpayers, markets, and scientific progress all get better outcomes? That question ties the political, economic, and technological strands together and sets the stakes for policy and investment choices in the coming decade.

Key points

  • President Trump’s firing of a Fed governor precipitated a legal challenge over removal authority.
  • Panelists argue many Fed responsibilities could be shifted to Treasury or market mechanisms.
  • U.S. acquisition of a 10% Intel stake marks a new industrial policy model for chipmaking.
  • Experts recommend taking equity or warrants rather than unilateral grants to protect taxpayers.
  • Publishing GDP and payroll data to blockchain could enable real-time market pricing oracles.
  • LLM-designed protein variants improved cellular rejuvenation conversion rates by orders of magnitude.
  • Commercial real estate faces a large refinancing wall that risks forced asset sales.
  • Founder University expands global pre-accelerator programs, creating regional deal flow.

Timecodes

00:00 Opening banter and summit promotions
00:00 Sponsor activations and event highlights
00:02 Bar mitzvah stories and personal anecdotes
00:05 Chamath returns from vacation and lifestyle notes
00:07 Founder University announcement and global expansion
00:12 Fed independence, Lisa Cook firing, and legal implications
00:38 U.S. government 10% Intel stake and industrial policy debate
01:12 Yamanaka factors, LLM protein design, and rejuvenation science
01:30 Wrap-up, merch, and summit reminders

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