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Solana’s Anatoly Yakovenko on Crypto's Next Era: Quantum, AI, and the Future of Money

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September 18, 2025
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An engineer’s wager: remaking finance as a synchronized global machine

When Anatoly Yakovenko speaks about Solana, his metaphors stretch from low-level code to planetary physics. He describes a future where markets are not islands stitched together with slow reconciliation, but a single, global ledger that moves money at the speed limits set by glass and light. That vision is not abstract fantasy; it is an engineering problem with latency, concurrency, and trust at its center. Yakovenko insists Solana is designed as an execution engine — a place where trades, contracts, and streams of value happen in real time, and where settlement is a feature rather than a constraint.

From fax‑machine finance to a new internet-native plumbing

The contrast he draws between existing financial rails and the new architectures under development is stark. The postwar systems that underpin global capital were built long before ubiquitous networking, so their interfaces often resemble outdated technology. Yakovenko argues that what’s emerging on public permissionless chains is an internet-native stack aligned with Western legal and commercial norms: transparent, programmable, and globally reachable. That alignment, he suggests, could make American finance not only more efficient but easier to distribute worldwide.

Execution versus settlement: a philosophical split

Solana’s claim — that it functions as a world-scale execution layer while others focus on settlement — reframes competition as specialization. Where some architectures accept minutes-long finality, Yakovenko optimized for milliseconds. He calls it a physics problem: if you sync markets across continents, round-trip times and throughput become as important as cryptographic soundness. The payoff, he argues, is that faster execution unlocks new products and market structures that were previously impractical.

Regulation, friction, and the cost of clarity

Technical excellence, however, runs up against law. The conversation turns several times to regulation, most concretely in his description of the costs facing American founders. Yakovenko recounts spending a large portion of early runway on legal fees to comply with U.S. securities rules — a blunt illustration of how regulatory ambiguity can stifle domestic innovation. That friction is what proponents hope new legislation will mitigate: clear frameworks could lower costs, keep projects within U.S. jurisdiction, and bring institutional capital onto public chains.

Tokenization as a bridge to mainstream finance

Yakovenko sees tokenized money market funds, treasuries, and other real-world assets as the natural next step. The idea that the internet could become one of the largest holders of U.S. treasuries — a provocative projection he raises — changes how people think about scale and custody. Tokenized assets promise portfolio diversification, real-time risk management, and an expansion of what decentralized finance can hedge against. But converting legal claims into cryptographic ones remains a regulatory and custodial puzzle.

Creators, memes, and unintended markets

There is an irony to the adoption path: many early on-chain markets were not sophisticated financial instruments but cultural phenomena — meme coins, NFTs, and creator tokens. Yakovenko is candid about the mismatch between technical ambition and emergent behavior onchain. While engineers designed rails for global markets, users experimented with expressive and speculative markets. That messy experimentation, he contends, will ultimately yield structured products: creator-led tokens with legal wrappers, community-owned intellectual property, and new monetization mechanics beyond advertising.

When entertainment becomes capital

The possibility that fandom and finance could converge fascinates him. Imagine creators who issue tokens that represent economic rights tied to future revenue streams or intellectual property. The legal scaffolding is incomplete, but the product intuition is clear: tokens can align incentives between audiences and creators in ways previous platforms could not.

Security, complexity, and the simple elegance of Bitcoin

Yakovenko admires Bitcoin’s design for its disciplined simplicity. The fewer moving parts, he notes, the fewer opportunities for catastrophic failure. Solana, built for speed, necessarily carries complexity and a broader attack surface. That trade-off is a theme across technology design: higher performance often requires sacrificing some simplicity. Still, he believes the benefits justify the risk if engineers can maintain robust operational practices and defensive postures.

Quantum, AI, and the next horizon of risk

Beyond today's debates, Yakovenko raises the prospect of quantum computing as a near-term disruptor — not as speculative futurism, but as an engineering challenge that could force migration to quantum-resistant signatures. He places the timeline for major breakthroughs within a few years and urges stakeholders to prepare. At the confluence of AI and cryptography, he sees opportunities — agents that manage value, creator personalities with tokenized economics, and distributed compute models — but cautions that many of those projects still compete against centralized data centers and traditional finance scale.

A pragmatic optimism

Yakovenko’s tone is neither utopian nor fearmongering. He mixes technical rigor with big-picture stakes: who owns the rails, who benefits from network effects, and how policy choices will tilt the global balance. The recurring motif is infrastructure: protocols are standards, not companies; they invite incumbents like Nasdaq and Visa to plug in rather than cede the field entirely. That posture reframes competition as co‑evolution, where legacy institutions and new protocols can both find advantage if interfaces and law permit.

What remains to be decided

The story is open-ended. Key determinants will be regulatory clarity, the pace of cryptographic and hardware breakthroughs, and whether tokenized representations of real-world value can be made legally portable and reliable. If those things align, the result could be a global financial fabric that moves at near-physical speeds and supports forms of ownership we can scarcely imagine today.

Key takeaways:

  • Engineering choices shape political and economic outcomes as much as technical ones.
  • Legal clarity is the difference between domestic innovation and offshore flight.
  • Tokenizing real-world assets could de-correlate crypto markets and unlock hedging.
  • Creators may become issuers of tradable economic rights when regulation permits.
  • Preparing cryptography for quantum threats is an urgent infrastructure task.

The conversation leaves a clear impression: reshaping money is as much about stewardship as it is about throughput. Building systems that are fast, open, and resilient will require engineers who understand law, policymakers who understand technology, and institutions willing to rewire how they move capital. That alignment will determine whether the web’s next financial layer becomes a global commons or another closed network.

Key points

  • Solana positions itself as a global execution layer, optimized for millisecond-scale transactions.
  • Regulatory uncertainty forces founders to spend significant legal fees to launch tokens domestically.
  • Tokenized treasuries and stablecoins could shift large-scale institutional custody and liquidity.
  • Creators may one day issue tokens representing economic rights and revenue participation.
  • Real-world assets on-chain can provide uncorrelated hedges and reduce systemic risk.
  • Quantum computing may necessitate migration to quantum-resistant cryptographic signatures soon.
  • Visa and Mastercard could adopt stablecoin rails, disrupting issuer bank margins.
  • Simple protocols like Bitcoin trade complexity for resilience and security advantages.

Timecodes

00:00 Introduction and Solana context
00:00 Regulation, David Sachs, and market impact
00:00 Vision of a global synchronized ledger and execution layer
00:00 On-chain experimentation: meme coins and unexpected markets
00:00 Engaging regulated exchanges and integration possibilities
00:00 Adoption challenges and mental models for users
00:00 Proliferation of L1/L2 projects and competitive landscape
00:00 Creators, NFTs, and new monetization mechanics
00:00 The Clarity Act and founder legal costs
00:00 Tokenizing real-world assets and DeFi demand
00:00 Quantum computing, AI acceleration, and cryptographic risk
00:00 Bitcoin resilience and protocol simplicity
00:00 Network competition, Visa, and payments incumbents
00:00 Closing remarks and acknowledgments

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