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ReThinking: Fixing social media with Pinterest CEO Bill Ready

35:20
September 2, 2025
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Rewiring social feeds: a case for algorithms that prioritize feeling over fixation

When a social network decides to prize meaning over milliseconds, the result looks less like a redesign and more like a moral argument embedded in code. Bill Reddy, who leads Pinterest, describes a deliberate shift away from the industry habit of tuning algorithms for whatever keeps eyes glued and toward a quieter ambition: helping people spend their attention in ways that improve their lives. That simple reorientation — from time spent to time well spent — reframes product thinking as a public-health intervention and a business strategy at once.

From car-crash clicks to conscious choices

One of the most vivid ways Reddy explains the problem is the traffic-jam stare: people slow down at an accident, glance at the wreck and then the feed shows another wreck and another, until the platform becomes a continuous procession of adrenaline and outrage. Automated systems learn what activates our reactive, instantaneous attention and then feed it back to us. The more visceral the reaction, the more data the algorithm receives that the content should be amplified. The result has been a decade of feeds optimized to provoke rather than to nourish.

Reddy proposes a simple counterweight. Instead of rewarding the quick, unconscious responses that reveal our triggers, tune systems to reward deliberate, value-driven behaviors: things people save, intentionally search for, or choose to revisit after reflection. The effect wasn’t theoretical. When Pinterest adjusted ranking signals to favor conscious intent, the platform began surfacing DIY projects, self-help content, and practical ideas that inspired real-world action — content that made users feel more satisfied after they logged off.

Designing for the future users: privacy and youth protection

Many of the most fraught conversations about social media concern children and teenagers. Reddy took an unusual route: making accounts for users under sixteen private by default and irreversible. That choice was framed as a public good, not a temporary experiment. The move briefly rattled investor confidence, but the business recovered and grew, and the policy became a competitive differentiator with younger users who wanted safer spaces to explore identity without performative pressures.

Privacy moves like that are paired with operational nudges. During school hours, Pinterest now offers under-18 users a prompt encouraging them to return to the service after class and helps them silence notifications during school. It’s a small, pragmatic intervention designed to reduce distraction and support collective commitments within schools. The prompt is emblematic of a broader philosophy: platforms can design gentle behavioral cues that respect autonomy while encouraging attention practices more conducive to learning and wellbeing.

Regulation, reputation, and a market for safety

Reddy makes a two-pronged case about systemic change. On one hand, he supports thoughtful regulation that establishes baseline protections — akin to crash-test ratings in the auto industry. On the other hand, he bets on market forces and brand differentiation to nudge competitors: companies could, and he hopes will, compete on safety records and emotional impact rather than raw time-on-site.

The analogy to automobile safety is instructive. Seatbelts were once considered burdensome to a carmaker’s bottom line; over time regulation, testing standards, and brand positioning around safety realigned incentives. The aspiration is similar for social platforms: create objective measures of emotional harm and benefit, publish results, and reward companies that demonstrably reduce negative outcomes.

Diversity, resilience, and leadership shaped by service

Reddy’s leadership philosophy blends practical hiring criteria with a moral imagination. He argues that diversity and inclusion strengthen — not weaken — meritocracy by expanding the pool of talent and perspectives. Pinterest intentionally seeks resilience in hires, a trait often forged outside of privileged pathways, and pairs recruitment with supports that enable people to thrive.

That ethic is inseparable from his formative memories of working in his family’s auto shop: facing customers, owning mistakes, and learning to earn trust by doing the hard work of repair. It’s a reminder that empathy for users is not an abstract value but a managerial practice: leaders who have worked in customer-facing roles are more likely to consider the human consequences of their product choices.

Practical ideals: nudges, measurement, and the Inspired Internet

Reddy’s proposals are not just conceptual. Pinterest has pledged to consistently measure its impact on users’ emotional wellbeing and to publish the results, a transparency move designed to accelerate industry learning. The company is also experimenting with design changes — diversity-by-default feeds, body type and skin tone ranges, private accounts for minors, school-hour prompts — that aim to prove the commercial viability of a kinder model.

  • Design feeds to reward deliberate, repeatable user choices rather than reflexive clicks.
  • Create privacy defaults for young people to reduce exposure to performative comparison.
  • Use behavioral prompts to support phone-free classrooms and better learning environments.
  • Measure emotional outcomes and publish findings to create a market for safety.

There is an unavoidable tension in Reddy’s stance: doing less to capture attention can mean slower growth in the short term. Yet his argument is pragmatic, not utopian — he insists the company must also prove that doing good can be financially sustainable. He draws on Silicon Valley humility and midwestern responsibility: you treat users like neighbors you must answer to, and you build products that earn trust by design.

Whether other platforms will follow is uncertain, but the direction is now visible: a cluster of ideas — algorithmic kindness, youth-first privacy, operational nudges, transparent impact measurement, and inclusive hiring focused on resilience — forms an alternative architecture for social technology. The broader question isn't whether a kinder platform is ideal, but whether an industry can rewire incentives at scale so that feeling better becomes a viable competitive advantage.

Key takeaways:

Shifting a product to prioritize time well spent over raw engagement requires design choices that appeal to users’ reflective intentions, company courage to accept short-term trade-offs, and mechanisms to measure emotional outcomes in ways that the market and policymakers can use. If these elements align, social platforms can be engineered not only for attention, but for human flourishing — and that possibility marks a meaningful turn in how technology might steward shared life together.

Key points

  • Pinterest tunes ranking toward conscious actions like saves and intentional clicks rather than reflexive views.
  • Accounts for users under 16 are private by default and cannot be re-enabled.
  • Time well spent replaces time spent as a metric guiding product decisions.
  • Pinterest prompts under-18 users during school to reduce notifications and support focus.
  • Inspired Internet Pledge commits to measuring and publishing emotional well-being outcomes.
  • Diversity and inclusion are framed as enhancements to meritocracy and business performance.
  • Hiring for resilience uncovers talent from nontraditional backgrounds and improves outcomes.

Timecodes

00:01 Introduction and problem framing with Adam Grant and Bill Reddy
00:02 The dangers of engagement via enragement and the car-crash analogy
00:04 Tuning algorithms for positivity and conscious user intent
00:05 Time well spent, private accounts under 16, and youth safety measures
00:16 Evidence and policy for phone-free schools and classroom focus
00:22 The Inspired Internet Pledge and industry-wide accountability
00:29 Diversity, inclusion, hiring for resilience, and leadership lessons

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