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How we restructured Airtable’s entire org for AI | Howie Liu (co-founder and CEO)

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August 31, 2025
Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
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How a Founder Refounds a Product for the AI-Native Era

In a wide-ranging conversation, Howie Liu, co-founder and CEO of Airtable, sketches a playbook for legacy software companies that must reinvent themselves for generative AI. Liu argues the moment is not merely incremental evolution but a wholesale refounding: products, teams, and leadership mindsets must change. He frames the necessary shift around practical organizational moves, a return to hands-on founder leadership, and a new relationship between human designers and large language models.

From Viral Crises to Hands-On Leadership

Early in the discussion Liu recounts a viral, misleading critique of Airtable and uses it to illustrate how fast narratives spread. That anecdote sets up his larger point: leaders can no longer safely distance themselves from product detail. In the new era, many CEOs are moving back into maker mode — coding, prototyping, and running high-inference experiments to keep pace with rapid model improvements.

Two-Speed Organizations: Fast-Thinking And Slow-Thinking Teams

Liu describes a structural response that has become central to Airtable’s AI strategy: separate teams that operate at different cadences. The "fast-thinking" group ships near-weekly AI-driven experiences, testing agentic features and prototypes. The "slow-thinking" group invests in deep infrastructure and robust platform work that requires careful premeditation. Together they let a company capture viral, experimental value while building durable, enterprise-grade foundations.

Play, Prototype, And Be The Chief Tastemaker

Practical habits matter. Liu recommends leaders and product teams spend deliberate time playing with third-party AI tools, launching weekend projects, and building real prototypes rather than documents. He says empathy for product UX means tasting the soup — interacting with models and primitives directly. That practice produces better visual metaphors, clearer affordances, and more compelling agent experiences than a static spec ever will.

Agentic App Building With No-Code Primitives

Rather than ask an LLM to output full-stack code for complex business apps, Liu favors a hybrid: use agents to assemble reliable no-code building blocks — collaborative data layers, views, automations — as a domain-specific language. This approach combines the speed of agentic generation with the reliability and inspectability of proven primitives, making generated business apps more secure and maintainable.

Roles Converge: Designers, PMs, And Engineers Become Polymaths

AI rewards multidisciplinary skill sets. Liu argues that product managers should prototype, designers should grasp technical constraints and tool-calling, and engineers should think more like product designers. The baseline expectation is no longer narrow specialization but a minimum fluency across the EPD triangle so teams can iterate faster with fewer handoffs.

Measure What Matters: Vibes Then Evals

In very new form factors Liu suggests starting with wide, open-ended "vibe" experimentation to discover what works, then bake in rigorous evals once you’ve narrowed use cases. Evals become the engine of reliable improvement: measure model performance, agentic workflows, and prompt scaffolds to converge on repeatable product behavior.

Across anecdotes and concrete tactics, the conversation centers on a simple thesis: treat AI as a continuous paradigm shift and refound your product around human-plus-agent workflows, fast experimental teams, and founders who remain intimately involved with design and engineering. That alignment — between leadership, speed, and multidisciplinary craftsmanship — is the through-line that turns generative models into durable business value.

Key points

  • CEOs should engage directly with models, using AI daily to discover product insights.
  • Create a fast-thinking team to ship weekly AI experiences and a slow-thinking team for infrastructure.
  • Encourage playful, exploratory prototyping days or weeks to learn new AI capabilities.
  • Treat no-code primitives as a domain-specific language for agentic app assembly.
  • Shift product roles toward hybrid skills: PMs prototype, designers understand models, engineers design.
  • Start with open-ended experiments ('vibes'), then develop repeatable model evals for scale.
  • Reduce routine standing one-on-ones to free time for timely, insight-driven collaboration.

Timecodes

00:00 Intro and Viral Tweet About Airtable
00:08 Recounting the Viral Critique and Media Effects
00:08 CEO As Individual Contributor And Hands-On Leadership
00:12 Howie On Using AI Personally And High-Inference Experiments
00:16 Organizational Reorg: Fast-Thinking Versus Slow-Thinking Teams
00:23 Agentic App Building And No-Code Primitives Strategy
00:40 Playful Prototyping, Weekend Projects, And Tool Exploration
00:48 Role Convergence: PM, Design, Engineering Skills Shift
01:13 Founder Mode, Product Focus, And Long-Term Lessons
01:30 Closing Thoughts, Lightning Round, And Practical Advice

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