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Arm CEO Rene Haas on AI: Nvidia Lessons, Intel’s Decline and the US-China Chip War

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September 30, 2025
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The quiet sovereign of chip design reshaping the AI era

There is a company inside almost every modern chip that most people never see: a company that designs the processor cores that sit at the center of smartphones, cars, data centers and soon, the machines that learn in the field. Its return to public markets vaulted its valuation into the tens of billions, but the real story is less about a headline number and more about a set of decisions, partnerships and architectures that are quietly remaking how compute gets built and who gets to build it.

From a Cambridge barn to a global engine room

What began as a small design house in Cambridge—born from a low-power processor project—is now an indispensable node in a global technology chain. Its intellectual property model means the company doesn’t own fabs or make silicon directly; instead, it licenses designs that others take to TSMC, Samsung or Intel for fabrication. That separation of design from manufacturing proved prescient as workloads evolved from single-threaded applications to highly parallel machine learning problems.

How a gaming GPU seeded an AI revolution

The lightning bolt that reoriented the industry was not a bespoke AI chip but a clever use of existing hardware. Early deep learning breakthroughs ran on gaming GPUS; the parallelism required for neural net training fit naturally with graphics processors. That historical accident made some companies immediate beneficiaries and set expectations about which architectures dominated training versus inference. The result has been a rapid cycle of investments and pivots as companies chase the next architecture best suited for evolving workloads.

Architecture as political economy: the bridge between accelerators and controllers

Modern AI systems rarely rely on a single chip. Large accelerators crunch matrix math while general-purpose microprocessors orchestrate data movement, security, and system-level tasks. That orchestration role is where the design house at Cambridge stakes its claim: supply the CPU cores and tools that sit beside accelerators, whether they are proprietary silicon from hyperscalers, university-built research chips, or commercial GPUs. In one striking example, a leading training platform integrates dozens of these cores alongside its accelerator, underscoring the interconnected nature of modern compute.

Custom IP, standard building blocks

The firm now sells both standard architectures and custom intellectual property, giving cloud providers, automakers and device makers options: license a reference design, or buy a tailored block and stitch it into a bespoke system-on-chip. That flexibility means the company can be both a neutral supplier and, if circumstances change, a maker of more ambitious, vertically integrated products—should it choose that path.

Training, inference, and a three-way market

Predicting the next decade of chips requires sorting workloads into distinct buckets. Training enormous models remains a specialty where large accelerators excel; inference at the edge requires energy-efficient designs that can run inside phones, headsets, and robots. Between those endpoints is a third, fast-emerging class: smaller training and mixed workloads that distill large models into nimble student models or manage on-device learning. That middle ground will attract specialized architectures that balance energy, latency and adaptability.

Physical AI and the robot opportunity

The physical world will demand many more chips per unit than data centers. Robots and autonomous systems will carry dozens, even hundreds, of specialized processors for sensing, control and local learning—making the unit economics for chips in robotics potentially larger than those of cloud servers. Designing for actuators, real-time safety, and energy constraints will create a separate market with its own winners and losers.

Supply chains, national policy, and the long lead times of fabs

Chips are not just clever software and logic; they are also extreme manufacturing projects that require years of capital, rare materials and industrial finesse. The places that lead in refinement, manufacturing processes and supply chain integration hold outsized advantages. When companies defer investment or cultural attitudes downgrade manufacturing as "blue collar," a country loses more than factories: it loses the institutional memory and prestige that attract talent.

Rebuilding capabilities requires more than cash

Bringing advanced lens-makers, lithography champions and refinement facilities back into new national initiatives will not be solved by single grants. It requires multi-decade commitments, shared capital among corporations and public institutions, and curricula that make manufacturing operations excellence a respected career path. Universities have started to reintroduce microelectronics programs, but industry partnerships and sustained funding are critical to rebuild the 24-7 operational muscle of world-class fabs.

Export controls, ecosystem fragmentation, and the politics of openness

Policymakers are wrestling with a delicate balance: restricting sensitive technology to certain buyers while preserving an open ecosystem that accelerates innovation. Heavy-handed licensing regimes can delay sales for months or years and, when applied globally, risk driving other regions to build independent stacks. That fragmentation could create parallel technology universes—each optimized for local rules—rather than a single, competitive global ecosystem where the best architectures win.

A final note on culture and continuity

What ties these technical and geopolitical debates together is culture: the pride that societies place in making things and teaching others how to make them. When manufacturing is seen as prestigious, when universities, government and private capital align, and when companies retain a long-term view, the result is resilience. The next decade of compute will be determined as much by those cultural investments as by transistor counts or floating point operations.

Reflective thought: Technological advantage is a composite of ideas, factories and the people who build both, and it is the stewardship of that triptych—through education, industrial policy and a willingness to share infrastructure—that will determine who writes the rules of the next computing age.

Insights

  • Design firms that license IP can influence entire ecosystems by enabling both standard and custom chip solutions.
  • Companies should plan hardware roadmaps around distinct workload classes: large-scale training, mixed training/inference, and low-power edge inference.
  • Investing in university microelectronics curricula and manufacturing operations training rebuilds domestic wafer-to-packaging competence.
  • Pooling corporate and public capital can help incubate strategic equipment and refinement capabilities that take decades to mature.
  • Export rules should be calibrated to avoid long licensing delays that incentivize other regions to build alternative, incompatible stacks.

Timecodes

00:03 Opening frame: Arm's influence despite not manufacturing physical chips
00:38 Guest introduction: Rene Haas takes the stage
01:13 Reflections on NVIDIA and lessons from Jensen Huang
03:21 Arm’s history, SoftBank sale and return to public markets
04:15 Compute workloads, GPUs and Arm's role next to accelerators
06:14 Arm's positioning as supplier to hyperscalers and custom chip builders
09:10 Robotics and physical AI: unit demand and energy constraints
10:25 Export controls, China’s ecosystem, and open global software stacks
11:32 Why Intel fell behind: mobile, EUV and long product cycles
13:38 Strategies for building domestic capabilities and ASML-like ventures
18:10 Universities, training and bringing back manufacturing prestige
23:44 Geopolitics: China, collaboration, and the future of AI governance

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