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505: Lessons in Blood. General Greg Knight on Ramadi and Leadership

2:25:35
September 10, 2025
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From a Pennsylvania memorial to the streets of Ramadi: a soldier's arc

The story begins with an obelisk: a memorial forged by the hands of a brigade and later repatriated to a museum in Pennsylvania. The monument's panels, shattered glass and suspended dog tags are metaphors for thinking about service as both craft and sacrifice. The monument anchors a longer conversation about a modern citizen-soldier who took a nontraditional route into leadership—through the Coast Guard, local policing, the National Guard and, ultimately, years leading Vermont's forces. That arc reframes how wartime experience, home-front identity and institutional change come together.

An unlikely path into uniformed service

He grew up in a modest Army-brat household, the son of a combat engineer and a mother who survived wartime Germany. Enlisting in the Coast Guard at a moment of drift, he found discipline and identity. That early service was followed by civic work—policing and liquor enforcement—before a late pivot into the Army National Guard that would alter the course of his life. A late-blooming officer candidate school, won by a mentor's belief and a waiver for age, proved to be a decisive turning point: discipline and leadership finally had structure and opportunity to converge.

Training, adaptation and the brittle comfort of doctrine

Preparing for deployment is always an exercise in learning what your unit can and cannot do. Collective training at hardened centers validated many skills, but it also exposed the limits of rigid evaluation. The brigade's trip through mobilization revealed that operational readiness is as much about improvisation—adapting to broken ranges and limited resources—as it is about checklists. A moment of mentorship at a training center—an experienced Kiowa pilot sitting down with a battlefield manager to explain air tasking orders—turned a procedural weakness into a battlefield tool, and affirmed a simple truth: combat readiness is built on effective teaching, not just testing.

Ramadi: management in miniature and the cost of learning

Ramadi in 2005 was a mosaic of static checkpoints, roving patrols, and fragile local security. As battle captain in a brigade’s tactical operations center, the role was less theatrical than it sounds: maintaining situational awareness, clearing the air for calls to indirect fire and coordinating rescue and force reaction. It was a job of quiet management under pressure—the art of giving the right information to the right people so they could make life-and-death decisions without waiting for higher approval.

  • Commanders learned that the battlefield is a communications network: clarity and relationships trump rigid hierarchy.
  • Proven, distributed judgment—trusting leaders on the ground—became a life-saving principle.
  • Small innovations from junior soldiers, implemented quickly, had theater-wide effects.

Soldiers improvised material protections for exposed gunners; a specialist's welded windshield modification—quickly nicknamed "Pope glass"—morphed from a local fix into a doctrinally shared countermeasure, saving dozens of lives across units. When a Navy EWO offered an unfamiliar capability, curiosity turned into capability: an ad hoc use of JSTARS and aircraft electronic warfare pods produced intelligence that led to a significant ordnance cache. Such episodes show how theater ingenuity often outperforms playbook expectations.

Turning points, grief and the politics of transition

The tour's human costs were unavoidable. The first casualty—the sudden death of an embedded trainer during a poster campaign—was a stark reminder that combat and civic outreach blurred in confusing and tragic ways. Bold attacks like the glass-factory bombing illustrated the insurgents' adaptive cruelty and their capacity to seize political moments with violence.

When the brigade prepared to hand over its area of operations to incoming forces, clashes of culture emerged. Locally seasoned leaders, tested by months of attrition and improvisation, found themselves advising units that had not yet internalized Ramadi's micro-risks. The solution was less theatrical than it might seem: rigorous rip-in-place briefings, a willingness to listen, and a humble refusal to assume competence in unfamiliar conditions. The most dangerous sentiment on the ground was confidence disguised as competence—"we got this"—because that phrase often preceded preventable losses.

After the deployment: home, healing and institutional responsibility

Returning home produced a different kind of dissonance. Vermont's normalcy—weekly life, grocery lines, routine—felt surreal after a year of being keyed up. Mental and physical aftercare mattered. Confidential vet-center counseling, proactive outreach and public advocacy for benefits were reframed as part of command responsibility. That work extended into politics: in Vermont the adjutant general is an elected position, a structural peculiarity that thrust military leadership into legislative negotiation. The occupant of that post chose to open the organization to external review, publishing an unflinching assessment and pushing reforms on toxic culture, sexual harassment and hazing. It was messy, but the openness was meant to replace cultivated silence with remedial action.

The Guard's broader truth

The National Guard is a dual-purpose force: domestic emergency responder and a combat reserve. Its members are carpenters, electricians, pilots and teachers who bring civilian skills to deployments and in turn return with sharpened capabilities. The Guard's dispersed talent—air mobility crews, pilots, mechanics—makes it a strategic multiplier, whether during wildfire response or nighttime raids abroad. When a national mission calls, citizen-soldiers mobilize with unique speed and institutional knowledge.

Leadership lessons without ceremony

From the tactical to the institutional, the core leadership lesson is simple: be good, not just effective. Good leaders listen, mentor and distribute responsibility; they assume prudent risk on behalf of subordinates and build systems that let initiative flourish. The story of a specialist who welded protective glass is a case study in leader humility: rank did not dictate who would save lives; outcomes did. The same lesson shapes how institutions heal—acknowledge the problem, invite external inspection, and align public accountability with reform.

There is no tidy finale here. The obelisk in Pennsylvania is simultaneously evidence of loss and of craft—soldiers built a monument in the dust of Ramadi and later carried its meaning home. The larger work remains ongoing: how to help veterans translate battlefield experience into civic life, how to capture frontline innovations and spread them, and how to build institutions that are both accountable and adaptive. Those are not challenges with simple endpoints; they are the missions that shape the next chapter of service.

Insights

  • Prioritize teaching and mentoring during training so personnel can apply concepts under pressure.
  • Create channels for frontline units to share small innovations rapidly across formations.
  • Leaders should delegate decision authority to those with immediate situational awareness.
  • Veterans should proactively register with state and federal support systems to access benefits.
  • When transitioning AOs, prioritize listening to outgoing units to avoid preventable casualties.

Timecodes

00:01 Opening: 228 Brigade Ramadi memorial and guest introduction
04:54 Greg Knight's early life and family background
09:03 Coast Guard enlistment and early service
16:10 Officer Candidate School and leadership formation
26:38 Camp Shelby, NTC and pre-deployment training
29:42 Arrival at Ramadi and first impressions
32:43 Role and responsibilities as battle captain
44:19 Coordinating air, special operations, and brigade resources
46:55 First casualty and coping with loss
52:35 Battle rhythm, VBIEDs and operational tempo
54:36 Elections, turning point and policing initiatives
57:50 Glass factory complex attack: January 2006
01:05:10 Turnover to incoming units and institutional lessons
01:19:01 Return home, vet center counseling, and veteran advocacy
01:28:34 Recruiting duty and Guard outreach
01:34:11 Naval War College and strategic education
01:39:36 Becoming Vermont's Adjutant General and reforms
01:52:56 Leadership philosophy and mission command
02:01:55 Specialist Bennett’s improvised protection and frontline ingenuity
02:03:08 National Guard contributions to modern strikes and mobility
02:03:56 Call to recruit and public engagement

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